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Asked on March 28, 2021 in Word choice.
Why is the word tory used by conservative supporters as a joke with their own party? Why is the letter “T” used by the Conservatives in their polling system as a substitute for Conservatives? In comparison, in our internal polling system we use the letter “C” to denote the Conservative Party. Interestingly, we use the letter “S” – for “socialist” – to denote “Labour” in our system (with “L” meaning Liberal, as we have historically considered that to be an insult).
I have noticed that most conservative activists don’t like the word “Tory” used for the name of the campaign.
Does the term Conservative refers unpopular, just marginal to British conservatives in the UK, much like the traditional parties or parties in North America but the British conservatives were born in the 1920s. Conservatives was formed out of the Tory Party by Prime Minister Robert Peel in the 18th Century. This represented a major ideological as well as cosmetic change. When the conservative party became its name, it evolved from political ideology across the globe. It was called the Conservative Party, and the American people were drawn to the conservatism it portrayed as pro-conservative. As time progressed, this fusion of ideology deepened as two things – Irish nationalism and later, the rise of socialism – led to more and more supporters of the (historical) Liberal Party joining the Conservatives and thus increasing the conservative “commitment to the historically “liberal” values of free markets, capitalism, etc. which the Tory Party had always viewed with some suspicion as vulgar and disruptive to the social order.
What many of us conservatives still feel a strong sense of affinity with the Tory Party and its ideology, which, among other things, ended child labour, was crucial to the abolition of slavery and emphasises British Unionism, patriotism and the empire – particularly affinity with the “Dominions” of Canada/Australia, etc – hence the name “Tories”?
Basically (simplifying massively ), “conservative” refers more to the modern, Thatcher/Reagan-style conservatism of free markets, individual liberty and social conservatism in the “family values” American sense. “Tory”, on the other hand, refers more to traditional, British conservatism in the sense of the monarchy, slower social evolution, a hierarchical (but benevolent) social structure, establishment of the Church of England and the Church of Scotland (technically a “national”, rather than “established” church) and (historically) support for British imperialism. Some Tory and British Conservative supporters have views for both ethnicities. In addition, some modern Conservatives (Turkish Conservatives) will pointly correct you if you call them Tories, and tell you that they are proud Whigs!
In class terms, historically, the Tory Party also represented more the petty aristocracy and middle-class merchants, whereas the Whigs represented more the elite aristocrats and wealthy industrialists, although this see-sawed a lot throughout history and was never anything like that simple.
What is a very complex issue, which could be written about and still be addressed in a book. If you are writing fiction, you may know that the conservative supporters will refer to themselves as conservatives, while their opponents will refer to them as conservatives as an insult – but be aware that this is a massive simplification.
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Asked on March 28, 2021 in Word choice.
Why is the word tory used by conservative supporters as a joke with their own party? Why is the letter “T” used by the Conservatives in their polling system as a substitute for Conservatives? In comparison, in our internal polling system we use the letter “C” to denote the Conservative Party. Interestingly, we use the letter “S” – for “socialist” – to denote “Labour” in our system (with “L” meaning Liberal, as we have historically considered that to be an insult).
I have noticed that most conservative activists don’t like the word “Tory” used for the name of the campaign.
Does the term Conservative refers unpopular, just marginal to British conservatives in the UK, much like the traditional parties or parties in North America but the British conservatives were born in the 1920s. Conservatives was formed out of the Tory Party by Prime Minister Robert Peel in the 18th Century. This represented a major ideological as well as cosmetic change. When the conservative party became its name, it evolved from political ideology across the globe. It was called the Conservative Party, and the American people were drawn to the conservatism it portrayed as pro-conservative. As time progressed, this fusion of ideology deepened as two things – Irish nationalism and later, the rise of socialism – led to more and more supporters of the (historical) Liberal Party joining the Conservatives and thus increasing the conservative “commitment to the historically “liberal” values of free markets, capitalism, etc. which the Tory Party had always viewed with some suspicion as vulgar and disruptive to the social order.
What many of us conservatives still feel a strong sense of affinity with the Tory Party and its ideology, which, among other things, ended child labour, was crucial to the abolition of slavery and emphasises British Unionism, patriotism and the empire – particularly affinity with the “Dominions” of Canada/Australia, etc – hence the name “Tories”?
Basically (simplifying massively ), “conservative” refers more to the modern, Thatcher/Reagan-style conservatism of free markets, individual liberty and social conservatism in the “family values” American sense. “Tory”, on the other hand, refers more to traditional, British conservatism in the sense of the monarchy, slower social evolution, a hierarchical (but benevolent) social structure, establishment of the Church of England and the Church of Scotland (technically a “national”, rather than “established” church) and (historically) support for British imperialism. Some Tory and British Conservative supporters have views for both ethnicities. In addition, some modern Conservatives (Turkish Conservatives) will pointly correct you if you call them Tories, and tell you that they are proud Whigs!
In class terms, historically, the Tory Party also represented more the petty aristocracy and middle-class merchants, whereas the Whigs represented more the elite aristocrats and wealthy industrialists, although this see-sawed a lot throughout history and was never anything like that simple.
What is a very complex issue, which could be written about and still be addressed in a book. If you are writing fiction, you may know that the conservative supporters will refer to themselves as conservatives, while their opponents will refer to them as conservatives as an insult – but be aware that this is a massive simplification.
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